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Guest




30th Nov 2022, 3:27 AM

Every once in a while, I'm reminded that anime can have some pretty ridiculous looking still frames.

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Chances




30th Nov 2022, 9:35 AM

So, using the D&D rules and the +5 fort save... Are Nami chances really that bad?

And how big are the chances of some character that die suddenly at the beggining of the new arc of the adventure from a illness coming from the previous one that they had no idea they should protect

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Samantha




30th Nov 2022, 10:07 AM

But if I remember my 3.5 days correctly, you should get Fort from Con bonus (usually up to +4 or so at 18 Con) then a Fort, Will, Reflex bonus from class. I think different classes had different rates, something like 1/2, 1/3, and 1/4. So assuming she got a nice +3 from Con, a Fort of +5 is bad. Like squishy wizard bad.

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Otaku

Otaku




30th Nov 2022, 11:02 AM

Can someone post a translation for those of us with little to know understanding of D&D/Pathfinder?

It is embarrassing to admit, but that all went over my head. XP

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Joshua




30th Nov 2022, 11:59 AM
"D&D to English Translation"

In D&D characters have an attribute called Constitution (CON) that represents, more or less, how healthy and resistant to things like disease and poison they are. Depending on your score (3-18) you might have anywhere from -3 to +4 in bonuses to the roll you have to make to resist or recover from a disease. That type of roll is called a Fortitude save, and you can get additional modifiers to it based on your character type, e.g. fighters are better at it than clerics, clerics are better than wizards, and this modifiers increase as you gain in power (level). In this particular version of D&D the modifiers increase at a fixed rate, +1 every so many levels depending on class. The disease Nami is suffering from decreases her Constitution every time she fails a save...when it hits 0 she is dead, and her saving roll will get harder and harder to succeed at as her CON score goes down. Basically they're finding out that something that Luffy or Zolo could put up with for a long time before being in danger is really an emergency for Nami.

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Otaku

Otaku




30th Nov 2022, 12:44 PM

Thank you! You did a good job of breaking things down, as I'd forgotten even more than I realized, and was being tripped up by things like Constitution Versus Fortitude. ^^'

I am curious, though; are we supposed to be unaware of the target number for the roll?

Right now, I'm starting to realize this disease may actually have been far better balanced than I first thought: the buffs from Sanji's cooking likely improving Nami and Vivi's chances so that they're not so far below Luffy and Zoro's for resisting/enduring the illness.

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Halosty45

Halosty45




30th Nov 2022, 1:26 PM

We don't know the numbers *but* I can say that even a DC 15 would be very low at their level. Around 8~ (Which is what I last remember) 20 would be pretty normal for many things. Which would mean that if it's an easy to resist disease each individual save would be 50/50, probably closer to 25% chance of success. If it's at all balanced to potentially affect the power gaming part of the group... it might require a natural 20 to recover.
If it's a 'normal' disease it might only take one success to recover, but if it lowers con then failing the initial save sort of leads to a death spiral, with the average damage from 1d6 con damage reducing save bonus by about 1 per time on a d20 roll. This is why you want a healer (either mundane or magical), though of course *most* diseases don't do con damage so they won't outright kill you or lock you into a death spiral.
Also for reference, martial classes have a *base* fortitude save of +6 at level ~8 (2 +1/2 level for high saves vs 0+1/3 for low saves), more if they multi-classed because 3.5 is weirdly balanced in that regard. And that's without con or magic items or any of that junk.

Edit: I should mention how the Heal skill works. It just fully replaces the fortitude save, but since it's a skill check it's usually much better. It's 3+level +attribute vs 1/3 level + attribute, so something like a +14 instead of a +5 for someone with full ranks and a decent Wisdom modifier, without skill focus or anything special.

TLDR: Con damage from a disease is bad for you, mmk?

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Onanan




30th Nov 2022, 6:10 PM

Worth pointing out, though, that she just failed a save with a DC of higher than 15, and in failing the save she took six CON damage (her CON score went down by 6, so her fort save also went down by 3). Looking at her character sheet from lvl 2 also reveals she only had 13 CON, so she's basically like 2 more failed saves away from dying, and the rest of the team has no information on how to heal the disease. So... yeah, panic time.

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DragonTrainer

DragonTrainer




30th Nov 2022, 4:28 PM

For anyone wondering, here’s Nami’s character sheet from back when she was level 2: grandline3point5.thecomicseries.com/comics/49/

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Samantha




30th Nov 2022, 9:54 AM

Maybe because it's a plot relevant disease, only a certain remedy will do, and checks are automatic fail? Chopper said something similar in the anime.

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Otaku

Otaku




30th Nov 2022, 11:00 AM

For those of us bad with Celsius, plus I'll add in Kelvin as well:

38º C = 100.4º F = 311.5 K

40º C = 104º F = 313.15 K

Yes, I'm from the USA. Yes, I learned the various SI measurements in school. However, I have a better "feel" for what I use daily... or at least, more often than the SI units.

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Samantha




1st Dec 2022, 9:22 AM

I loathe Celsius.

It's "scientific" by being too wide a measurement to lend an accurate result?

45 degrees (mentioned in The Beds Are Burning) is 113F.
46 C is114.8F. You've added 1.8 to every 1 degree. This may not seem like much but 2 degrees then is 3, 4 degrees increases 113 to 120.2. That's 7.2 degree shift for only 4 degrees.

Fahrenheit then, is more accurate as it has smaller and more regular intervals. My dad recommended doubling Celsius if I wanted a more accurate system, so like boiling at 200 DoubC.

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HenshinFanatic




1st Dec 2022, 10:14 AM

No, that's a completely incorrect assessment. -40°C and -40°F are the exact same temperature. The two systems simply scale differently above and below that point, with Fahrenheit having much more dramatic changes, that's why by the time Celsius reaches 36.6°C, Fahrenheit has already jumped to 97.88°F.

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